Path: news.uiowa.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!bofh.dot!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!new-news.cc.brandeis.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: xray@cs.brandeis.edu (Nathan Raymond) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: //c hardware trivia... Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:09:41 -0500 Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 208 Message-ID: References: <4n63sp$pc0@colossus.csl.mtu.edu> <4n8s1k$gjq@europa.frii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.64.118.4 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.7 In article <4n8s1k$gjq@europa.frii.com>, shack@deimos.frii.com (Randy Shackelford) wrote: > In article <4n63sp$pc0@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>, > Joshua P. Onge wrote: > >Nathan Raymond (xray@cs.brandeis.edu) wrote: > >: I've read in various places some trivia about //c's that has turned out, > >: it seems, to be not entirely true! > > > >: From the same document, under memory expansion //c (ROM 03 and ROM 04): > > > >: "Platinum grey plastic casing;" > > > >: I have come across a verified ROM 03 //c bought in December 1986 from > >: Computer Town in Salem, NH, not modified in any way, which has a WHITE > >: case. > > > >So, it isn't just me then. My IIc has the old white case, but it appears, > >from peeks and stuff, that it is a ROM 03, or at least a unidisk IIc. > >Another thing in that article is that it says a ROM 3 will print > >"AppleTalk inactive" or some other stuff when you PR#7. Well this doesn't > >work, I guess because the mouse in slot seven, and they moved it to slot 4 > >later I've heard to put an appletalk network in 7. Hey, maybe my IIc had > >the upgrade before. I'm not sure, 'cause I bought it used from a dead > >guys estate sale. Maybe I'll open her up and take a look. > > > >: Just thought I'd share the info, since I haven't caught anyone mentioning > >: these anomalies before. :) > > Are you calling the memory expandable //c that came out in '86 right after > the IIgs a ROM 3? If so, then you mean a white cased //c with grey keys. No > //c's were grey, only //c pluses. This is the only //c revision with the mouse > in slot 7. This is because they decided to put the memory card in slot 4. > All previous //c revisions have the mouse in slot 4 and varying stuff in slot > 7, including rudimentary Appletalk and the way to boot from an external 5.25 > drive. (I've appended the document someone posted here a while back that outlines the differences I'm talking about.) I can say for sure that the ONLY difference between the ROM 3 (memory-expandable) //c I'm talking about above and the ROM 1's I've seen is that the ROM 1's have a sticker on the drive door that says, "Important close slowly" or something to that effect, and are otherwise identical in coloration (white case, dark-grey keyboards). IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC Rev. 7/3/94 HOW TO TELL WHICH APPLE IIC YOU HAVE ==================================== Stephen Buggie Clinton SC 29325 sebugg@presby.edu Four models of Apple IIc were made from mid-1984 through 1989. Some models can be identified by the color of the external plastic casing but mainly they are distinguished by special features. ORIGINAL IIC: (1984-85) White casing; does NOT operate an external Unidisk drive; has NO internal self-test. Most numerous type made. Has 16K of internal ROM. ROM code: 255 This model has a defective timing crystal, which limits modem use to the slower baud speeds (300 baud, or, if lucky, 1200 baud). FREE MOTHERBOARD UPGRADE of the original IIc has been available for many years at Apple dealers (Linzmayer, 1989). The free motherboard upgrade is definitely worthwhile! The keyboard was made by Atlanta Photocircuits Co.; its keys are prone to "stickiness" which slows typing speed. An improved keyboard was introduced for the Unidisk 3.5 IIc. UNIDISK 3.5 IIC: (March to Sept 1986) White casing; externally identical to ORIGINAL IIc. Can operate 800K Unidisk 3.5 from drive port; can also operate faster modem speeds (2400 baud; possibly faster). Has built-in SELF-TEST: Hold down both Apple keys firmly, then turn on power switch; checkerboard display pattern fluctuates for two minutes, then displays SYSTEM OK in center of screen. (Any defective ICs will be identified by a displayed code.) Has 32K of ROM. ROM code: 0 If PR#7 is typed on this model, then the screen message, "APPLETALK OFFLINE" will be generated in response. MEMORY EXPANSION IIC: (1986-87) Platinum grey plastic casing; has all features of the Unidisk IIc, plus special feature that there is a motherboard RAM-connector socket so that a one megabyte RAM memory board can easily be installed (Pre-owned Electronics (MA) offers these Apple ram board for $39. Two subversions of the Memory Expansion IIc were made: ROM 03 and ROM 04. There are no important differences in performance between ROM 03 and ROM 04; the shift to ROM 04 was done to repair an arcane bug in the ROM firmware of ROM 03. Most users will not notice the difference between ROM 03 and ROM 04. NOTE: RAM memory boards can be installed in the Original IIc or in the Unidisk 3.5 IIc, but installation is complicated. Fitting extra RAM in either of the two earlier IIc models requires removal and reinstallation of two large 40-pin IC chips: the 65C02 microprocessor and the MMU memory management unit. The socket-connector inside the Memory Expansion platinum IIc is much more convenient (Statt, 1987). APPLE IIC+: (1987-89) This was the last version of the IIc family. It is easily identified externally: platinum grey plastic casing; power supply is fully internalized in the computer (i.e., no "brick on a rope" power supply as in all earlier models); internal 3.5" 800K disk drive (5.25" external drive can be connected as an option); built-in 4 MHz accelerator (all earlier IIc computers operate at the standard Apple ][ speed of 1 MHz). Speaker volume control moved to top panel, above the keyboard. Back panel serial port connectors were changed from the 5-pin DIN sockets used on previous IIc models to the mini-8 connector used on the IIgs or the Imagerwriter II printer. ======================================================================== Most IIc models can be identified by external appearance: The external plastic casings of the Original IIc or the Unidisk 3.5 IIc are white, while the casings of the Memory Expansion IIc or the IIc+ are platinum grey. The IIc+ is the ONLY IIc model with the 3.5" disk drive built into the casing. The only two models that are externally IDENTICAL in appearance are the Original IIc and the Unidisk 3.5 IIc. The quickest way to identify which model you have is to activate the "self-test": Hold down the two Apple keys, then turn on the power. If you get wavy lines scrolling downward, then you have the Original IIc (too bad!); but if the checker- board pattern of the "self-test" appears, then you have the Unidisk IIc! (The free motherboard upgrade for the original IIc will enable the computer to do the self-test.) IDENTIFYING THE IIC MODELS VIA ROM TESTS: These are two simple keyboard tests by which the motherboard type is identified conclusively by checking its "identification byte" at ROM location 64447, known also as location $FBBF in hexidecimal notation. You type in the following coded messages, then note the computer's response. The response tells you the model of IIc you have. Either test is sufficient; both tests will give identification results that match. (ROM identifier tests are unnecessary with the IIc+ because the IIc+ differs noticeably in external appearance from all IIc models.) (1) First, get the "Basic Prompt" symbol, ], by holding down and releasing these two keys: . At the Basic Prompt ], type PRINT PEEK (64447) followed by . How does the computer respond? If it responds with "255", then you have the Original IIc; if it responds with "0", then you have the Unidisk 3.5 model; if it responds with "3" or "4", then you have the memory expansion IIc. (2) The second ROM identifier test is similar to the first. Again, get the Basic prompt by holding down and then releasing the and keys. Then type CALL -151 followed by . The computer will respond with an asterisk *, indicating that you are in the "system monitor." Then type FBBF followed by . If the computer responds with FBBF- FF then you have the Original IIc; if it responds with FBBF- 00 then you have the Unidisk 3.5 version, and if it responds with FBBF-03 or FBBF-04, then you have the memory expansion version. REFERENCES APPLE IIC TECHNICAL REFERENCE MANUAL. Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley, 1986. The Apple IIc family xxiii; Identifying your Apple IIc xxiii-xxv. [hardcover volume, not to be confused with Apple Corp. IIc Technical Manual (1984), a two volume red paper cover spiral- bound set] Linzmayer, O. W. Get what you paid for. [article on free upgrades available for Apple ][ products]. INCIDER, September 1989, 7, 64-65. Linzmayer, O. W. The IIc family tree. [main reference for this paper; it describes the differences among the various IIc models]. INCIDER, January 1988, 6, 59-68. Statt, P. Go beyond the IIc's limit. [RAM boards for the various IIc models]. INCIDER, September 1987, 5, 51-53. Stephen Buggie sebugg@presby.edu (revised July 3 1994) IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC IIC -- Nathan Raymond nraymond@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu xray@cs.brandeis.edu nraymond@fechner.ccs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~xray raymond@binah.cc.brandeis.edu