Path: news1.icaen!news.uiowa.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.axxsys.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hirsch@air.steve.net (Steven N. Hirsch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: //gs LocalTalk Port References: <359B4846.2F35573C@qut.edu.au> <%9zm1.2438$P8.9165600@ptah.visi.com> <359B4A56.3CF6B79D@netcomi.com> <359C4AA3.3261ACCB@tridel.net> <1dbkmbl.cj0y97zxqq3qN@dempson.actrix.gen.nz> Reply-To: shirsch@adelphia.net Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.0-2 BETA UNIX) Lines: 58 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 14:18:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.48.40.134 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:18:20 EDT Xref: news1.icaen comp.sys.apple2:136618 In article <1dbkmbl.cj0y97zxqq3qN@dempson.actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson wrote: >Can everyone please use the correct terms, or this is going to get >confusing. Thanks.. This thread was becoming a morass of misinformation. >That is probably the easiest option (it might be called an AppleTalk >card, but it is really a LocalTalk card), assuming there is software >support for it. > >Another solution might be an Ethernet connection (running EtherTalk), >with an EtherTalk-to-LocalTalk bridge of some kind (e.g. LocalTalk >Bridge running on a Macintosh, or a dedicated external box). (David's wonderful examples trimmed for brevity) >I've never used Linux, so I don't know what its AppleTalk support is >like, but the rest of it is well defined. I use Linux extensively, and was responsible for coding and contributing the Apple II AFP support to netatalk (free Unix-hosted Appletalk server). My home network has, at various times, used LocalTalk boards and Ethernet <--> LT bridges for serving my Mac and A2 collection. Supported LTPC adapters include the COPS family (aka Farallon, Tangent, Daystar Digital) and the original Apple LocalTalk PC card. The Apple card does not interoperate with the //gs built-in port, but will talk with an Apple // Workstation card and/or Macs. It's some sort of timing problem that I've never had the motivation to chase down. My Daystar/COPS LT-200 adapter works with anything, BTW. The Apple LTPC and COPS drivers are now included in the development Linux kernels. Jay Schulist has put together a package which makes these available under the "production" 2.0.3x series kernels (found in commercial distributions like RedHat, Suse, etc.): ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/jschlst/AppleTalkSuite-1.03.diff.gz Due to persistent problems with the aging U-Mich Netatalk distribution, I recommend Adrian Sun's (asun) package. This is available from: ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/asun For those accustomed to a point-and-click, plug-and-play world, I quote from "The Wizard of Oz": "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore..." The Linux environment is sound and stable, but requires a modicum of programming background and motivation for best results.. While I will gladly answer questions pertaining to the Apple II ProDOS AFP services and/or my patches supporting Tangent-style adapters under Jay's COPS driver, I don't have the time or interest in supporting Unix system administration or package installation. Steve Path: news1.icaen!news.uiowa.edu!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!nyd.news.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.idt.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!router1.news.adelphia.net!server1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: shirsch@adelphia.net (Steven N. Hirsch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Appletalk protocol References: <36731491.891DE731@cyberhighway.net> Reply-To: shirsch@adelphia.net Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.0-2 BETA UNIX) Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 02:54:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.48.40.200 X-Trace: server1.news.adelphia.net 914727268 24.48.40.200 (Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:54:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:54:28 EDT Xref: news1.icaen comp.sys.apple2:143445 >>>>>> "FC" == Frank Carney writes: > > FC> Does anyone have information on the Appletalk protocol? I think it > FC> would be of great use to be able to use this protocol on PCs and other > FC> platforms. It would provide a way for more people to provide disk > FC> server functions to Apple ][s. If this information is not available > FC> would someone please direct me to those at Apple Corp that may be able > FC> to help me. Thanks in advance. > The folks at U-Mich made netatalk available for this exact purpose. I coded up support for Apple II & //gs AFP about two years ago, and use it regularly to network my A2 boxen from a Linux-based server. Adrian Sun (asun) has included these patches in his excellent netatalk variants. Grab the latter from: ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/asun You will need an ISA bus LocalTalk adapter (Apple, COPS, Tangent, etc, etc.) or LocalTalk <--> Ethertalk bridge like a FastPath. Steve