The system consists of a CMS SCSI card, Seagate ST-157N, drive case and power supply from Norvac in Beaverton (local electonics supply), and a cable with DB-25 to 50-pin connection. The system price was: CMS SCSI card.......................... $115.00 + shipping Drive Case and Power Supply............ $125.00 Seagate ST-157N 50-60meg............... $450.00 approx. new price Misc. connectors and parts............. $ 10.00 ------- Total.................................. $700.00 The drive case I bought was for making a floppy or hard disk external for an IBM or compatible. There is room inside for 2 half height drives and the case came with a power supply and connectors for 2 drives (half height). The CMS SCSI card came with a "hard" format, drive test, park heads, and Backup II to do backups of the NEW drive. First you want to setup the drive with partitions (CMS explains this) and drive ID=0. Secondly, format the drive with the "hard" format and then use the PRODOS utils to format the disk again (puts FAT (File Allocation Table on disk) this will be needed to make the disk usable. By the way, you need to format both partions to use them (32 meg max. YUCK Prodos 1.3). Then you will need the following for the cable: approx. 6" of 50 conductor ribbon cable 50-pin connector crimp style DB-25 (RS-232 25-pin) male connector Good Luck to you all!! Dean W. Gehnert _____________________________________________________________________________ DB-25 male 50-pin connector | Actual pin view ---------- ---------------- |________________________________________ 1 48 |\1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13/ 2 42 | \ 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25/ 3 50 | ------------------------------------ 4 40 | ________ 5 38 | <1 2 | NOTE: all odd pins are 6 36 | |3 4 | grounded on a SCSI 7 1* | |5 6 | 50-pin connection 8 2 | |7 8 | 9 1* | |9 10| 10 8 | |11 12| 11 12 | |13 14| 12 14 | |15 16| 13 16 | |17 18| 14 1* | |19 20| 15 46 | |21 22| 16 1* | |23 24| 17 32 | |25 26| 18 1* | |27 28| 19 44 | |29 30| 20 18 | |31 32| 21 4 | |33 34| 22 6 | |35 36| 23 10 | |37 38| 24 1* | |39 40| 25 NC | |41 42| | |43 44| NOTE: 1* implies a connection to | |45 46| 1 or any other ODD pin/wire| |47 48| (which is GRND) | |49 50| | -------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Gehnert, Tektronix Inc. phone:(503) 627-4428 tektronix!tekig4!deang | deang@tekig4.UUCP | deang@tekig4.LEN.TEK.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 63023 of comp.sys.apple2: Path: caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!pbauer From: pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Go Drive Info (long) Date: 5 Oct 1993 02:36:12 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 240 Distribution: world Message-ID: <28qmis$gke@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: laika.mit.edu Keywords: HD drives Paul H Bauer (pbauer@athena.mit.edu) wrote: : I am trying to use a 2.5" HD from a Power Book and am looking for : the pin outs for the two connectors on the drive. One is a 50 pos. ide : and the other is a 16 pos ide. I assume the 50 pos is a standard SCSI : pinout????? but what is the 16 pos, power id ? Wow, you're the second person tonight looking for a GoDrive pinout.... Tomorrow, I'll make some time to type it in and post it. But you've confused me. If the drive came from a Powerbook, it's *NOT* ide interface. IDE is an interface found in Intel/DOS boxes. And no Go-Drive has a 50 pin connector. they have 40 + n pins, (where 4<=n<=8). I guess it does *look* like an IDE connector, but electrically, it's a whole different animal. Also, when you speak of a 16 pin connector, do you mean one into which a little Mylar flexible printed circuit attaches, which comes out from inside the HDA (the mechanism). If so, these have nothing to do with SCSI, and should be left alone. What make/model drive are you dealing with? That will help me help you. ---gaylon ** ** ** The drive I was refering to is a Conner 40 meg mechanism. ** ** ** Gaylon R Lovelace Jr Process Engineer glovelac@qntm.com Quantum Corp. Customer Service Everything above is my opinion, not Quantum's. Following, please find the pinout table for GoDrive SCSI. Don't try and use the same +5V (or return) for both motor and logic; t'would be bad. ** This does not seem to be a problem ** I'm not certain that the setup of J2 is the same for, say, a Conner drive, but J1 should be identical. ** It seems to be the same ** In my earlier response to this thread, my brain died. I said there is no 50 pin connector on the GoDrive. This is only sort of true. While we think of there being two connectors, J1 & J2, they're both physically one part. And if there weren't a bunch of missing pins, together they'd be like a 50 pin connector. Hope this helps. ----Gaylon Pinouts for Quantum GoDrive SCSI: This is excerpted, sort of, from the _Go-Drive_40/80S_Product_Manual_, copyright 1991 by Quantum Corp. The connector is a single 2 x 25 connector on 2mm centers for power,data and SCSI device address. The connector also includes four pins (pins 1-4 of J2) which are reserved as factory test points. J1 J2 Pin39 Pin1 Pin1 | | / o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | | Pin40 Pin2 Recommended mating P/N: Dupont 69764-050 or equiv. ** ** ** I found 24 and 28 pos dual row 2mm connecters from Digi-Key Corp ** ** 1-800-344-4539 ** To prevent the possibility of incorrect installation, the hole of the mating ocnnector that corresponds to pin 17 of J1 should be plugged. Max cable length = 12" Pins 5-7 of J2 are used for hardware selectable device address as follows: Pin 5 Pin 6 Pin 7 SCSI id ----- ----- ----- ------- hi hi hi 0 lo hi hi 1 hi lo hi 2 lo lo hi 3 hi hi lo 4 lo hi lo 5 hi lo lo 6 lo lo lo 7 Pin 8 of J2 can be used to drive an LED during periods of drive activity. Signal Pin Signal Pin ----------- ---- ----------- ---- +5V (logic) 1 +5V (logic) 2 Logic return 3 Logic return 4 GND 5 DB0 6 GND 7 DB1 8 GND 9 DB2 10 GND 11 DB3 12 GND 13 DB4 14 GND 15 DB5 16 KEY 17 DB6 18 GND 19 DB7 20 GND 21 Parity 22 GND 23 Termination Power 24 -ATTN 25 -BSY 26 GND 27 -ACK 28 -RST 29 -MSG 30 GND 31 -SEL 32 -I/O 33 -C/D 34 GND 35 -REQ 36 Motor Return 37 Motor Return 38 +5V (motor) 39 +5V (motor) 40 Gaylon R Lovelace Jr Process Engineer glovelac@qntm.com Quantum Corp. Customer Service Everything above is my opinion, not Quantum's. This seems to be a popular topic, so here's some more info.... ----Gaylon Gaylon R Lovelace Jr Process Engineer glovelac@qntm.com Quantum Corp. Customer Service Everything above (and below) is my opinion, not Quantum's. Power Requirements for GoDrive 80S Voltage +5V +-5% Current: Sleep/Standby 0.04A Parked (actuator off, spindle on) 0.16A Idle (track following) 0.34A Active: Reading/Writing 0.40A Active: Seeking 0.44A StartUp (peak) 1.10A Ripple & Noise 50mV For a one disk unit (40S, 60S, GRS 80S, GLS 85S), the peak draw at startup is more like 0.90A. I am not an expert on termination, or even on SCSI generally, or on much of anything, to be honest. But perhaps this info will help. In testing operations, we use a little interface board which plugs on to the GoDrive and presents a standard SCSI ribbon connector, so that the GoDrive and adapter board together appear, electrically, to be just like any 3.5 inch SCSI drive. We have termination resistor packs on that adapter board, so I assume that means termination must be done external to the drive. I've never seen the inside of a Powerbook (I'm saving my pennies), but I assume there must be termination built onto the motherboard. The GoDrive 40/80 S product manual (copyright 1991, Quantum Corp., etc) says the following about Vterm: GoDrive supplies terminator power through a Schottky diode and a 1A fuse: Vterm= 4.25V DC to 5.25V DC 150 mA min with 1K pullup resistors 800mA min source drive capability, if supplying external terminators 1.0 mA max sink capability, except when providing power to an internal terminator 1.0A current limiting (fuse) I don't pretend to fully understand all the earth-shattering implications of all those specs, but there they are. If anyone feels able to explain it all, feel free to followup with something on the details of SCSI termination. On the connector pinout which I posted, there separate pins for Logic Return, Motor Return, and ground. And I pointed out that you should keep the logic and motor lines seperate. I just looked at two different versions of our adapter boards, and both connect all returns to common ground, and connect both motor and logic to a common +5V. Personally, I would be concerned with the motor draw pulling the logic +5 down too low, or dirtying it up. Perhaps that is not quite such a big worry after all. However, I should point out that we generally use these with very capable (big) power supplies. Linear, not switching. So as you put these setups together, if you have problems with drive logic blips, think about that ripple & noise spec. The power specs should be similar for non-Quantum drives. As for extra connectors (16 pin) on Conner drives: Quantum GoDrives are what we call self-scan, which means the 8 hour digital scan (the last step in the testing process which we inflict on every drive, before we ship) is run not by an externally connected test computer, but by the microcontroller on the drive itself. We connect the drive to a computer, and load all the test software onto the disk. Then we put the drive in an oven, with only power connected, and it tests itself. Then we connect it to another computer and read the test results back off the disk. Pins 1-4 of J2 (the other end of the 2 x 25 ribbon connector) are reserved (on Quantum drives) for signals involved in this test process. Conner drives are self-scan, too. Perhaps they have the extra connector for this same sort of purpose. Just a guess. But whatever it is, you shouldn't need it to use the drive. I think.... The GO drive that I installed internally in my GS has a peak start up power of 685 mw and typical running power of 335 mw. This is all off of the 5 volt supply. 13 watts off of a 5 volt supply would be about 2.6 amps and the If you have to buy a new drive it may not be any cheaper. I found an add from a person who had upgraded her power-book from a 40 to an 80meg hd and had the old 40 meg drive for sale for $50. At that price I couldn't pass it up because I had wanted to make this mod as an exercise for several months and this provided the opertunity. I had an extra SCSI card (RamFast C) and once I was able to get the pin-outs for the 2.5 drive (much different than standard 3.5" SCSI drives and the 2mm connecters it was about a 2 hour job to make the installation including an external 25 pin D connector for connecting other SCSI devices. The only caveat in this is the SCSI has to be able to recognize a drive that has not come up to speed when the computer is turned on since the drive is running off the same power supply. The RamFast has this capability as well as the older apple rev C SCSI cards I believe. If anyone is interested in doing this I can provide them with the electrical info for the 2.5" drives. (SEE ABOVE) The thanks for this info goes to a very helpful customer tech rep at Quantum Hard drives. The do-it-yourself SCSI hard drive manual By Paladin 11-6-88 The Preliminaries This doc file will show you how simple it is to construct your own SCSI hard disk drive and save hundreds of dollars. There is no need to pay extra money for something that you can do yourself, with a little work and scrounging around. Do not attempt this if you don't know which end of a screwdriver to use. Much of the information below comes from the Apple II SCSI Card Technical Reference Manual and from the Adaptec ACB-5500 User's Manual. For 3 years Apple Computer and several 3rd party computer manufacturers have offered what is known as a SCSI card. SCSI stands for Small Computer Standard Interface. SCSI is pronounced "scuzzy", for those who like slang. The idea of SCSI is that a device can be designed to work with an interface instead of an actual computer. Devices made to the SCSI standards are portable between systems, like external modems. In this way, SCSI is comparable to the RS-232 serial interface. The Apple SCSI card lists for $130.00. Mail Order prices are about $20-30 less. The Apple II SCSI card conforms to the ANSI, x3t9.282-2 standard. The SCSI card is actually a small computer that runs the SCSI bus and can handle DMA in the GS. The SCSI card can handle 8 SCSI devices on the bus and the card counts as 1 device. All devices are daisy chained and must have their UNIT NUMBER set by a set of jumper blocks. No two devices can have the same UNIT NUMBER. The SCSI card should be set at a higher unit number than the disk drive; this is this way the bus sets priority for all the devices online and your computer should have top priority. Before we go much further, it must be noted that any Apple SCSI card with a revision "B" or earlier will NOT work with GSOS. The ROM number needed is #341-0437-A, also known as ROM "C". This is a free upgrade at your Apple dealer (see the service department product bulletins). CMS also offers a SCSI host card. The disadvantage of the CMS card is that it can handle only one drive attached to it. The Nitty-Gritty. Now for the information you want. Apple's version of the SCSI standard has one big difference from the real standard; the cable between the card and the drive uses only 25 wires instead of 50. Half of the wires in the 50 wire version are grounds and Apple merely lumped them together. The pinouts for this cable will follow shortly. The "internal" cable that connects the drive to the "outside" comes with the drive and is a 50 wire ribbon cable. The important thing to know is this is a STRAIGHT cable. Pin one from the drive goes to pin one of the connector (the connector is a IDC 50 contact SOCKET, 3M part #925155-50-R) and that is all you need to know. In fact, the cable supplied with the drive has a connector on the end (another 50 pin "molex") that can just stay there. Place the IDC connector anywhere convenient. Use a vice to crimp the connector to the cable being careful to align the wires with the contacts. This step is critical. CABLE PINOUTS ------------------------------------------------------ IDC 50 contact Signal DB-25 Connector (to drive) (to card) ------------------------------------------------------ 1 DB0-gnd 14 2 DB1-gnd 14 3 DB2-gnd 14 4 DB3-gnd 16 5 DB4-gnd 16 6 DB5-gnd 16 7 DB6-gnd 18 8 DB7-gnd 18 9 DBP-gnd 18 11 DIFFSENS-gnd 18 16 ATN-gnd 7 18 BSY-gnd 7 19 ACK-gnd 7 20 RST-gnd 9 21 MSG-gnd 9 22 SEL-gnd 9 23 C/D-gnd 24 24 REQ-gnd 24 25 I/O-gnd 24 26 -DB0 8 27 -DB1 21 28 -DB2 22 29 -DB3 10 30 -DB4 23 31 -DB5 11 32 -DB6 12 33 -DB7 13 34 -DBP 20 38 TERMPWR 25 41 -ATN 17 43 -BSY 6 44 -ACK 5 45 -RST 4 46 -MSG 2 47 -SEL 19 48 -C/D 15 49 -REQ 1 50 -I/O 3 ------------------------------------------------------- This cable can be had at the swap meets for $6.00 to $15.00. Beware of __some__ MAC+ SCSI cables. They sometimes only have 6 ground wires connected to the 50-pin connector (at least my MAC+ cable was done this way) and the drive will not work. If you get one that has this problem, 10 minutes with a soldering iron will fix it. Also avoid molded ends on any cable you buy; you may have to modify the wiring. A GOOD knowledgable cable company should be your source. Belkin Components in Gardena, California is one good source. The HARD FACTS You now have the SCSI card and cable (external). You are about 40% finished. Now for the drive. One of the best places to find SCSI drives is in the Computer Shopper. Most disk drives advertised are for the IBM and are the ST412/506 type drives which are unusable for our project. The ad must state SCSI drives before you can even concider the company selling the drives. 90% of the people selling drives are so IBM oriented they think "scuzzy" is a BRAND of disk drive! Forget these people. They will be of little help. Stick to the companies that sell JUST drives or list SCSIs. They'll know what you're ordering. I bought mine through Hard Drives International in Phoenix, Az and I recommend them. While every major hard disk manufacturer makes SCSI drives I will list the Seagate models so you can get an idea of what is available. The Seagate SCSI drives have a "N" as a suffix to the model number. Model Capacity Sectors Access Time Power Comsumption (Mbytes) (millisecs) (watts) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (5 1/4" half height) (apprx $ 11/88) ST225N 20 41,720 65 17 $319 ST251N 43 84,254 40 13 $419 ST277N 64 126,790 40 13 $449 ST296N 80 158,320 28 13 $899 (3 1/2") ST138N 32 63,139 28 12 ST157N 48 95,015 28 12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will notice that there were no specs on the number of cylinders, heads and other commonly used data. They are not neccessary with the SCSI drives; they are "intelligent" drives and they "know" how big they are. The Missing Case Now you have the SCSI card, drive and the cable. Now for the case and the power supply. If you have an old Rana or Corona hard disk then you're in luck, although any old hard disk enclosure/power supply will also do quite nicely. Just remove the drive, controller card (that strange card that sits on top of the drive, if there is one.) and cable. You will not need any of this. Set the unit number (remember this at the beginning of this doc?) of the new drive, plug in the power supply to the drive and then mount the drive to the base (don't force the drive to fit if the holes don't line up!). Run the SCSI cable out the back making sure the clamp holds it tight. Replace the top. Plug in the SCSI card (the Apple's power is off...RIGHT?). Plug everything together, making sure the connections are good. (Warning for the following paragraph: I have not personally tried the ideas presented next. It has been pointed out to me that the Apple power supply may be a little too weak on the +12v side. It has only 1 amp available and the spindle motor for the hard drive MAY require more. It is a marginal situation which YOU will have to decide upon.) If you don't have an old drive (we're talking ancient stuff here..old 5 & 10 meg drives) that you're willing to sacrifice, here's a novel idea. Find that old Apple II+ laying in the closet. Rip out the motherboard. Find two holes that line up with the drive or drill the holes for the drive. Get a hard drive power connector (it's a very standard connector at a GOOD electronics store). Splice in the connector to the Apple II+'s power supply (pin outs below) and plug it in (WARNING! I WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE HERE! I RECOMMEND YOU CHECK EVERYTHING THROUGHLY BEFORE POWERING ON. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU HAVE AN OHM METER/VOLTMETER HANDY FOR ALL OF THIS). The rest is just like the previous paragraph. Pinouts for the Apple power supply ---------------------------------- ____ _____| |____ |/ \| | O 5 O6 | pin 5 = -12 V, pin 6= -5 V |_ _| |_ O 3 O4 _| pin 3 = +5 v, pin 4= +12 | | | O 1 O2 | pins 1 & 2 are grounds |______|______| (please excuse the artwork!) Pinouts for HD power connector ------------------------------ ______________________ / \ Pin 1= +5 v | O1 O2 O3 O4 | pin 2 & 3= ground |______________________| pin 4= +12 v As you can see, pin 3 from the Apple PS goes to pin 1 of HD and pin 4 from the SP goes to pin 4 of the HD and both or either pins one and two can go to pins 2 & 3 of the HD. All the views are from the socket/plug ends and not from the back. OK, so you don't have either an old drive or an old dead Apple. If you can afford it, look in the Computer Shopper for Hard Drive cases. They come complete with power supply, fan, spike/overvoltage protector, painted case, mounted front light, ect. Prices range from $85 to $170. This is the sane way to go. I have bought the Tulin "Apple Hive" case and can recommend it. Some things are a little "Mickey Mouse" but they are otherwise useable (like the power switch and the busy light not done right). Otherwise you are going have to be very good at scrounging! What is needed here is a 25-40 watt switching power supply (a regular tranformer type may be a little too big but that's your decision) with +5, +12, and a ground. These power supplies can be found in most electronic surplus stores for $15-30. Timeline in Gardena is a good source for power supplies. $12.00 will get you a 180 watt power supply that's a little bigger than an Apple II unit (it has no case, switch, cord, ect). Sometimes you can buy a whole electronic doo-dad that has both a power supply and a case for $20-30, so search around. Now for the moment of truth; turn on the drive. It should whine and click away for about 20-30 seconds and then settle into a constant speed. Flip on the Apple. If you have plugged the SCSI card into slot 7 there will be a slight delay while the machine polls the SCSI card and drive. THIS IS GOOD, DON'T PANIC! You should hear the drive searching for Prodos or anything else. If the machine hangs (over 30 seconds) then something is wrong with the connections or the UNIT NUMBERS (remember these?...again!) or there is a major DOA part. If it doesn't find anything the Apple will boot the next controller card it finds. If the drive light went on while prodos/gsos was booting then you're home free and you can continue to the next section. If nothing happened the you need to double check EVERYTHING to see if anythings wrong. Just a little word of encouragement. As long as the drive does it's "self-test" when you power it on, it is OK. I even plugged my unit in backwards (the SCSI cable) and it didn't effect it (however, this is not recommended). The problem will most likely the connector on the ribbon cable. If you have a version A or B SCSI ROM make sure to get it exchanged for the version C ROM, in any case. The software side You will find out that the SCSI Utilities disk from Apple (running under Prodos 8) will only recognize volumes of 20 megs, and, depending on the slot the host card is in, will only partition 2 or 4 volumes maximum. If you have the drives bigger than 40 megs you'll either have to leave the host card in slot 5 (allows phantom drives in slot 2, equals 4 drives or devices) in order to get more than 2 partitions of 20 megs each, OR, the smart move, to find a friend with a GS and GSOS (using the ADVANCED DISK UTILITIES) and have the partitioning/intializing done on the GS. This will allow you to partition the drive with 32 meg volumes (or any size you want. But Prodos still will only recognize 32 meg volumes; anything over that is a waste of space). GSOS will also allow partitioning far beyond what Prodos will recognize. In fact, Prodos will only recognize 8 devices total (disk drives), while GSOS can partition more than that. Each partition counts as one device. The partition is initialized after the partitioning is done. So let's review: Set the unit number of the hard drive (installation book that comes with drive will explain how) Install 50 pin (Centronics 50 pin socket) onto the 50 conductor ribbon cable, pin one of drive going to pin one of connector. Make of buy the SCSI "system" cable using the pinouts from above. It has a male DB-25 on one end and a 50 pin male Centronics on the other. Plug in SCSI card into any slot but 3 (making sure the unit number is set per Apple's instructions). Connect cables. (make power cable if you don't have the "stock" setup of another drive to start with). Power on and wait for the drive to self-test. Power on Apple. Use SCSI Utilities or ADVANCED DISK UTILITIES to partition/initialize disk. When you've done that, you're finished! Now you can transfer files onto the drive, create subdirectories and anything else you do with a HD. You can take pride in the fact you BUILT this system and saved $$$ while doing so. ============================================================================= A side note: I highly recommend Prosel for your new hard drive. It is worth every penny of the $40 price tag. Glen Bredon is the author/publisher of Prosel.