Subject: A2 Trade/Swap???? site discovered - What are your thoughts on such a site?
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One of our GS WorldView Internet research staff members
sent me an email a few days ago with this URL to visit
and review.

http://www.bouncepass.com/appleiilist.html 

I was rather amazed and somewhat shocked at the content it offered, and
the comments it presented, having an email reference noted as being on
delphi.com - so...I copied the contents to share with the readers of
this CSA2 - Newsgroup.  The entire URL page contents are included below 
for your feedback, comments and thoughts on it all.

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Apple II Swap and Shop
Thousands of games were made for the Apple II series. Maybe well over
10,000. But they have disappeared from public consumption. Because
floppy disks weren't the most durable of mediums, many have been
damaged. Many more were tossed out by anxious parents after children
left the nest. Still more were just erased as Apple II users moved onto
PCs and Macs and the disks were reformatted for those platforms.

You go on deja.com or ebay, and now, Apple II software is a rarity. Of
course you can't find it in retail stores. Perhaps if you hang out at
your local thrift store long enough, some of those old diskettes will
appear. But if you take that route it may take forever to get the
software you want.

A major reason videogame companies like Atari resisted going to
diskette-based programs in the early '80s was because of what was
happening with systems like the Apple II. People were pirating like
crazy. Pirates were brazen, leaving even their phone numbers on the
"crack screens" of copied software so people could buy more. It was a
strange time. Diskettes were easy to copy and people exchanged cracks
with "how are you todays."

Well, the year 2000 is a different time as far as the Apple II is
concerned. No one is professionally making new software, so of course no
one is making pirates. The companies that did make Apple II disks are
now either long gone or moved onto PC and Mac platforms. None of the
big-time companies are profiting from or supporting Apple II software.

So what is an Apple II user to do? My opinion: revive pirating. Let's
copy all the software out there before it disappears forever. The Apple
II is still a very useful machine. We shouldn't be forced to give ours
up just because we're sick of the software we have. There was enough
software made to keep users happy for many more years ahead. Finding it
is the hard part.

In most cases, I see no ethical problem with this. No one is losing. In
the next few decades, the copyrights on the software will expire anyway.
In a few cases, there is software that's still commercially supported --
even if it's just by one guy with a makeshift website. Such software
should not be pirated yet. My opinion is, if it has been supported
within the last five years, hands off. But that's about one-tenth of one
percent of all of the Apple II software ever made. Will these companies
come after us for copyright infringement? Nah. It's not worth their time
and money. In fact, the creators of the Apple II software are probably
happier knowing their code still lives.

So let's swap. Below is a list of my software. If you have something I
don't have, I'll trade you one for one if yours sounds interesting. If
you have an original disk, I'll trade you two pirates for one. Make that
three for one if you have instructions and the box. If you have nothing
to trade, you can pay me $3 per disk for my time and materials. Postage
is $1 per disk or up to 10 disks for $3.20 postage, whichever is less.

Contact me by e-mail first at mailto:rocketusa@delphi.com
 
Apple IIgs Games and Apps (on 3.5" disk)
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Typing Tutor IV -- test and improve your type speed. A great boot disk, too. 
Diagnostics IIgs -- make sure your IIgs is okay
Optimizer 3.0 -- a necessity if you have a hard drive
Kid Talk -- You type, it talks. Animated
SCSI Utilities
Tetris -- the Russian puzzle game. No wonder we won the Cold War
Apple IIgs System Tools (original)
Bunkerware -- utilities, card games, a lot on one disk
AppleWorks GS -- this was a bigtime program (multiple disks)
Patterns -- make a funky desktop for your IIgs
Pirates GS -- a popular game
Harmonie -- Printer Drivers for HPs
Cheap Paint -- whatta name. Art
GIF and JPG views -- it's not easy to get porn on the Net with an Apple II. 
But if you do, these viewers will help.
Apple II SCSI Utilities
Tunnels -- not a bad game. Claustrophobic
Space Clusters
Tomahawk
Pointless -- font software
Arkanoid II: Revenge of Doh
Styleware Topdraw (Original with book)
Impossible Mission
Senseless Violence
GraphicWriter III -- a fine layout program (multi disks)
GS Games -- an assortment
Arkanoid I
Paintworks Plus 1.3
Opening Line -- a fun program allows you to add words and pics to your boot
screen
Battle Chess
Blockout IIgs
Hardball (Original)
Paint
Tunnels of Armageddon
Solarian -- my type of game. Fast-paced arcade shooter
Bubble Ghost
Music Construction Set -- you can't get this kind of software anymore. 
Make a song note by note.
Styleware Desk Tools (original, with book)
Hyperstudio (multiple disks)
Your Tour of the Apple IIgs (original)
Bit Banger -- Ram Tester
Pipe Dream
King of Chicago (two disks)
Appleworks 3.0
Vitesse Quickie Scanner Software
Cartooners (two disks) -- be the next Charles Schultz
Dr. Mario
Cosmocade -- two games
Top Draw
Smooth Talker
PC Transporters Disk 1.1 (Original)
Show Off (two original disks with book) -- layout
Blockout (original with instructions)
Silpheed (two disks)
Street Sport Soccer
Apple II History -- a must read
World Geography 1.3 (two disks)
Word Perfect (two disks) -- not bad
Bank Street Writer Plus with dictionary
Beagle Brothers Font Library (original)
Audiolight Music Studio
Bille Art -- French pool game
Beagle Bros. Time Out Desktools (original with book)
Zany Golf -- a very fun game
Jigsaw (two disks)
Xenocide
Beyond Zork
Hardball
Focus Drive Utility (original)
Space Harrier
Crystal Quest
Final Assault
Fantavision
Defender of the Crown (two disks)
California Games -- surf, skate, more
World Games v.1
World Games v.2
World Tour Golf
CD Rom Util
Ram GS (original) -- tester
AE Datalink Communications SW (original)
Music Studio 2.0
 
 
IIe, IIc and IIgs Games on 5.25" Disks (most work on II+s)
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Speedway
Donkey Kong
(Multi) Ms. Pac-Man, Robotron 2084, Missile Command I and II, Crystal Castles)
(Multi) Centipede, Defender, more
Dig Dug
Sky Fox
Phantasie v. 3.0
Virginia View
Ultima IV (Britannia)
Underworld
Sammy Lightfoot
Oil's Well
GFL Championship Football (original with instructions)
Beagle Brothers Timeout Desktools (original with book)
(Multi) Gold Rush, Burgertime
Jungle Hunt
(Multi) Montezuma's Revenge, Puck Man, Starblazer, Viper, more
Dos 3.3 (original)
Karateka
Sea Dragon
Wavy Navy
Black Belt
Microwave
OS-65D v.3.0 (a Microsoft operating system from 1977 -- looks original)
(Multi) Serpentine, Dodge 'em, Apple Panic, Gobler
(Multi) Snack Attack, Taxman, Drelbs, B-ball
Logo I (original disks with book)
SAT Test (four disks)
Locksmith 5.0
F15 Eagle Strike
Beyond Castle Wolfenstein
Moon Patrol
Bard's Tale (two disks)
Drol
(Multi) Sea Fox, Beer Run, Space Eggs, Death Maze
Bard's Tale (Dungeon Disk)
Ships
Easy Working: The Planner (1987, original with book)
Questron (two disks)
Telengard (original, 48k)
SCIMMARS (original 48k)
(Multi) Photar, Sabotage, Spy's Demise, Blisterball, Taipan
Questron (three plus Alien)
Chivalry
Pascal Apple 3
Pascal Apple 0
Ultima IV (two disks)
(Multi) Country Carnival, Jaw Breaker, Krunch N Sort
(Multi) Lemmings, Dung Beetles
Star Trek: The Kobayashi Alternative (two disks)
Hayes Smartcom I (original)
Avery List and Mail (original bulk-mailer with book)
Softdisk #154 from 1994
Murder on the Zindernoff
AE Datalink 2.5 (original, two disks)
(Multi) Defender, Spies, Demise, Maze Craze
(Multi) Jouster, Ceiling Zero, Warlord, Mad Adventure
Wheel of Fortune
Epyx World's Greatest Football Game (original with book)
(Multi) Cannonball Blitz, Raster Blaster, Aqua, Tron
(Multi) Sneakers, Pirates Adventure, Voodoo Castle, Mission Impossible
PFS: File (original, 1984)
Swashbuckler
Zaxxon
Jeopardy (two disks)
$100,000 Pyramid
(Multi) Falcons, Cubit, Dogfight, Flight Sim I, Kamikaze
(Multi) U-boat, C'est La Vie, Quasar
(Multi) Star Trek, Lady Tut, Star Thief, Canyon Climber
(Multi) Mario Bros, Horizon II, Crossfire, Dig Dug
(Multi) Tetris, Mahjong, Egaroids
War
Ultima III (two disks)
Applewriter II (original)
Print Graphics
Poker
Newsroom (two disks)
Reader Rabbit
Writer Rabbit
Swashbuckler
Robot Odyssey
Print Magic (five disks)
The Print Shop
(Multi) Tank, Autobahn, Sabotage, Pulsar II, Hard Hat Mack
Pinball
Secret Agent
Newsroom (two disks)
Buck Rogers
(Multi) Plasmania, Wizards, Castle, Adventure, Star League Baseball
AE PC Transporter (original)
(Multi) Typeaway, Midway, Telengard, Graphler, Speech Synthesizer
Lode Runner
Apple Plotter (original)
The Hacker
Rescue Raiders
Serpent's Star

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I had no part in creating the page from the above noted URL - nor do I
know just who did create it either.  So, now that youÕve read it - as
it was presented from the URL noted above, what are your thoughts,
comments and personal feelings on such a web site and page?

Cheers,
Tom