Path: ns-mx!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!apgar@apple.com From: apgar@apple.com (Gar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Mac File Sharing and a IIGS Message-ID: <17596@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 13 Nov 91 21:16:01 GMT References: <91315.223627CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET> Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Apple Lines: 153 Xref: ns-mx comp.sys.apple2:25985 comp.sys.mac.system:12314 In article <91315.223627CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET>, CTCOLE@MTUS5.BITNET writes: > > Anyone out there familiar with Mac System 7 file sharing? I have a Mac IIsi > and an Apple IIGS. Although I definately use my IIsi much more, I still like > my IIGS for the occasional game. To my question: will file sharing under > System 7 support ProDOS? I would like to save some of my IIGS files on my Mac > hard drive to eliminate the need to switch disks all the time. Although > adding a small hard drive to my IIGS would be great, I am only a college > student and cannot afford to add a hard drive. Is it possible for System 7, > or for that matter any PD server like SingleShare, to handle ProDOS? > ---Christopher Cole, ctcole@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu > This was posted by: --Morgan Davis UUCP: crash!pro-sol!mdavis AOL, BIX: mdavis ARPA: crash!pro-sol!mdavis@nosc.mil GEnie: m.davis42 INET: mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com ProLine: mdavis@pro-sol 1. Turn off both machines. 2. You'll need to connect your Mac and IIGS with LocalTalk cabling and connectors. 3. Use PhoneNet connectors and standard RJ-11 modular phone cables instead of Apple(R) Brand AppleTalk(R) parts. You'll save a bundle. 4. PhoneNet products are real popular, but I've had good performance from other vendors (HyperNet, TurboNet, etc.) for about half the cost of PhoneNet brand parts. 5. Both your Mac and IIGS will require a PhoneNet connector box, they plug into the Printer Port. 6. Attach a phone cable from the Mac to the IIGS. Put a terminating resistor (comes with the PhoneNet parts) into the second plug on the IIGS's connector. (And one on the Mac if it has an open plug, too). (Side note: Most Macs are connected to an AppleTalk-compatible printer, chances are that you've already got these things connected to the Mac and its PhoneNet box is already terminated. If so, just move the resistor from the Mac's box to the IIGS's, and connect the two boxes with one phone cord.) 7. Startup both computers. 8. Make sure that AppleTalk is enabled in the IIGS's Slots control panel. If you have to turn it on, you'll need to restart your IIGS after quitting the Control Panel. ON THE SYSTEM 7 MACINTOSH: Turn On File Sharing -------------------- 1. Open the Sharing Setup control panel 2. Fill out the Owner Name, Password, and Macintosh name boxes 3. Turn File Sharing ON 4. Turn Program Linking ON (if you want it) 5. Close it Create A New User ----------------- 1. Open the Users & Groups control panel 2. From the File menu, choose New User 3. Name the new user the name you've chosen for your IIGS (Side note: My Mac's name is "Morgan", my IIGS's name is "Ryan", my eight-month-old son. There is a human:computer size correlation that I couldn't ignore when thinking up names.) 4. Open the new user's icon 5. Enter the password that your IIGS will use to connect to your Mac 6. Click the File Sharing options as desired 7. Click the Program Linking option if you want it 8. Close this user 9. Close the Users & Groups window Select Sharable Items --------------------- 1. From the Finder, select the items or folders you want to share 2. Choose "Sharing..." from the File menu 3. Set the options as desired for sharing with certain users or groups 4. Save the settings ON THE SYSTEM 6.0.7 APPLE IIGS: Install AppleShare ------------------ 1. Use System 6.0.7 Installer and install AppleShare 2. Quit the Installer and restart your system 3. You'll be asked to select a name for your IIGS, enter the same name as the New User you set up previously on the Mac. Connect To The Mac ------------------ 1. In the IIGS Finder, choose Control Panel from the Apple menu 2. Select the AppleShare control panel device 3. Select the file server listed -- should be the name of your Mac 4. Connect as a "Registered User" 5. Enter your IIGS's password as set up on the Mac 6. Click OK Select Server Volumes --------------------- 1. Select the server volumes from the list that you want to open 2. Click the check boxes if you want those items to be opened at start up 3. Decide if you want your "name only" or "name and password" saved for subsequent connections when you startup. "Name only" is good if your machines are in an office environment and you need extra security. 4. Click OK 5. Close the Control Panel You should now see the selected server volumes on your desktop. You're ready to start working with shared files! SOME NOTES ========== Filenames --------- There appears to be some trouble on the IIGS in accessing folders and files on on the Mac that ARE NOT legal ProDOS file names. You'll want to make sure that all the files and folders on the Mac have names that are legal to ProDOS so that you can access them from your IIGS. Catalog ------- If you use APW or the ORCA/Shell, don't use the built in CATALOG command to view a server volume's contents. Mike Westerfield hasn't made his shell AppleShare-friendly *yet*, and thus you get errors trying to access those volumes with the CATALOG command. Use the "Files -l" tool instead to mimic the CATALOG command for now. Text Files ---------- If you create files from your IIGS on a server volume, notably text files, you can change their type *from the Macintosh* to TEXT with a creator of your favorite text editor or word processor (e.g. "ttxt" for TeachText). Now you can easily view text files that your IIGS created on your Mac's disk. MPW --- If you're using MPW 3.1 to develop Apple IIGS software, you'll need to get it updated to 3.2, as 3.1 won't run under System 7. And if you switch to System 6.0.7 to run MPW 3.1, you lose File Sharing abilities. It's a real headache -- especially since APDA still hasn't made MPW 3.2 available! Call APDA and bug them to hurry up. * ====== = == == This *** *** This is == === === === === is ******* your brain == ======= == = == your ******* on drugs. == ======= == == brain. ******* == ======= == == ** ** Any Questions? ====== == == == == Apgar@Apple.com I said it, NOT Apple. Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Path: blue.weeg.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix.gen.nz!dempson From: dempson@atlantis.actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) Subject: Re: Networking with Macs??? Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-Host: atlantis.actrix.gen.nz Sender: news@actrix.gen.nz (News Administrator) Organization: Actrix - New Zealand Internet Service Providers Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:00:45 GMT References: Lines: 270 In article , Jamey J. Hansen wrote: > I am a Macintosh user who may be asked to connect about 20 IIgs's to a > Mac server. I have a few questions (I don't use Apple II's and know very > little about them). > > First, is this possible? Yes. The Apple IIgs has hardware and firmware support for LocalTalk built into the computer. Additional software is required, which is supplied with the system software and must be installed on your system disk (using the IIgs Installer). Each IIgs requires at least 1 MB of RAM and a 3.5" drive. The Apple IIe (enhanced 128k machines only) can also be connected to LocalTalk, using an Apple II Workstation Card. > If it is possible, what software is needed on the IIgs's? System 5.0 or later, preferably 6.0 or 6.0.1. To access the network, you must boot from a GS/OS system disk which has the AppleShare support software installed on the disk. Assuming that the IIgses only have a 3.5" drive (no hard drive), installing the AppleShare support software requires a lot of space on the system disk, and there is no longer enough space to include the IIgs Finder, for example. It can be run as an application from the server, or on another floppy after booting. You cannot boot directly into ProDOS-8 (but you can run ProDOS-8 programs from GS/OS, in the usual manner, by launching them from a GS/OS program selector such as Finder). Similarly, you cannot access the network from a self-booting program which doesn't include the AppleShare support software. If you have the full Macintosh AppleShare server software (version 2.0 or 3.0), it is also possible to boot the IIgs from the server, optionally using a local disk to perform the initial boot stages. Some Apple II network booting software must be installed on the server. > Are AppleTalk cables sufficient for connecting to a server or to a > LaserWriter? Yes. You just need drop boxes and standard LocalTalk cabling. You can use Phonenet or equivalent if your existing network is using this system. If your primary interest is in printing from the IIgses (rather than file sharing), the system disk can be set up with the LaserWriter driver and network printing support software, which takes up less space than the file sharing software. If you want to print to the LaserWriter as well as access the file server(s), the LaserWriter driver needs to be installed in addition to the AppleShare support software (there is a fair amount of shared code between them, so this isn't too bad). > Is System 7 filesharing software adequate on the Mac, or do you need > full AppleShare? System 7 file sharing can be used as a file server for an Apple II, but the Apple II cannot boot from the network in this configuration (it must be booted from a local disk). I think that System 7 file sharing has a much lower limit on the number of users, compared to the full AppleShare server software. Note that the IIgs cannot act as a server, only as a client. The main steps involved: 1. Ensure that the IIgses are able to use AppleTalk (must be ROM version 1 or 3, with 1 MB or more of RAM, and a 3.5" drive). 2. Ensure that the software that is inteded to be used will be able to make use of the file server and/or LaserWriter. In general, this means programs that will run when launched from standard GS/OS program launchers, and excludes standalone programs that must be booted (particularly some educational programs and games). For printing, GS/OS programs must use the Print Manager (with the LaserWriter as the selected printer in the Network Printer Control Panel), and ProDOS-8 programs can either print in Postscript, or you can download an ImageWriter emulator to the LaserWriter, then tell the programs that they are printing to an ImageWriter. 3. Get hold of the full set of system disks for the IIgs. For Systems 5.0 through 5.0.4, there are two disks, called :System.Disk and :System.Tools. For System 6.0 and 6.0.1, there are six disks, called :Install, :SystemTools1, :SystemTools2, :synthLAB, :Fonts and :System.Disk. The last three are not required to set up an AppleShare boot disk. 4. Use the Installer to create a system disk with the AppleShare support software (and LaserWriter driver, if you need it). For System 5.0.4, the procedure is as follows: (a) Boot the standard System.Disk (make sure it is write protected and has not been modified. If it has, get a fresh copy from somewhere). (b) Once in Finder, initialize a blank 3.5" disk for use as your system disk. (c) Insert the System.Tools disk, and launch the Installer program. (d) Insert the new disk and ensure that it is selected (click on the "Disk" button as required until its name appears in the top left corner of the Installer's window. (e) Install "AppleShare on 3.5 Disk" onto the new disk. (f) Quit back to Finder. [If you don't need the LaserWriter driver, stop at this point.] (g) Open the new disk, then open the System folder. Drag the file called "Start" into the trash. (This is the Finder.) (h) Launch the Installer again. (i) Install "LaserWriter" onto the new disk. There is a serious problem with this procedure if the LaserWriter driver was removed: the resulting disk has no startup application, and will not boot successfully. A small GS/OS program selector is required (an S16 application called "Start" in the System folder, or with a name ending in ".Sys16" in the root directory), or enough files must be removed so that Finder can be retained. I was able to squeeze Finder back on again by removing the following files instead of removing the Start file at step (g). Icons:FType.Aux (extra filetype description) Icons:Finder.Icons.X (extra file icons) System:Fonts:Shaston.16 (a larger version of the system font) For a ROM 1, you must delete the files: System:System.Setup:TS3 (ROM 3 toolbox patches) System:ExpressLoad (fast executable file loading) System:Fonts:Geneva.12 (a commonly used font) For a ROM 3, you must delete the file: System:System.Setup:TS2 (ROM 1 toolbox patches) If you need to add BASIC.SYSTEM, you should copy it from System.Disk into the root directory of the new disk. There isn't enough space left on the ROM 1 version of this disk unless you delete something else (I suggest System:Tools:Tool029, which is the rarely used audio compression and expansion toolset). There is just enough room on the ROM 3 version. In each case, there will be 2k left after all these changes. For System 6.0.1, the procedure is as follows: If you need to initialize a disk, you should do so by booting System.Disk, and using the Finder to initialize the disk. If the disk has never been initialized, it can be initialized by the Installer. The Installer also offers an "Erase Disk" option in the File menu, which can be used to erase a previously initialized disk. (a) Boot the Install disk. (b) Once in Installer, click on the "Customize" button. (c) Insert the new disk. If it is uninitialized, the Installer will offer to initialize it for you. Use the "Disk" button if necessary, to ensure that the new disk is selected as the disk to update (indicated in the top left corner). (d) Install "Network: AppleShare, 3.5 Disk" onto the new disk. [If you don't need the LaserWriter driver, stop at this point.] (e) Install "Printer: LaserWriter" onto the new disk. The resulting disk does not include Finder (there is no way it could be squeezed onto the disk, and there aren't enough non-essential files that could be deleted). BASIC.SYSTEM is included on the disk. There is a minimal program launcher built into System 6.0.1, so Finder is not essential if you just need a program launcher. System 6.0.1 also has a control panel called SetStart, which allows you to specify any startup application. This is included on the AppleShare boot disk. In all cases, you should now have a bootable system disk which can be used to access AppleShare and System 7 file servers, and print to the LaserWriter. Continuing with the setup requirements: 5. Set up the IIgs control panel as required to use AppleTalk. It is easiest to do this with the text mode control panel (accessed via pressing Control-Apple-Escape). On the Slots screen, set the slots as follows. (a) For a ROM 1 IIgs, set slot 1 to "Your Card" and slot 7 to "Built-in AppleTalk". (b) For a ROM 3 IIgs, set slot 1 to "AppleTalk". The LocalTalk or PhoneNet cable should be connected to the printer port of the IIgs. You will have to reboot the computer before these Control Panel changes will take effect. 6. Boot the new system disk. About three quarters of the way through the boot process, a text dialog box will pop up, asking for a user name. Do not enter a user name at this point. Just press RETURN. Eventually, the System 6 Program Launcher will appear. Click on the Cancel button. [For System 5.0.4, the boot process will end with you in Finder, or in another startup application if you copied a different one onto the system disk.] For System 6.0.1: Open the graphical Control Panels desk accessory (under the Apple menu), and double-click on "Net Printer". Choose the appropriate LaserWriter from the list, and close the windows. For System 5.0.4: Open the graphical Control Panel desk accessory (under the Apple menu), and click on "LaserWriter". Choose the appropriate LaserWriter from the list, and close the window. The remaining steps may vary, depending on how you want to set up file server access from the IIgs. You have two options: (a) The file server must be mounted manually from the IIgs, by using the graphical control panel; or, (b) A default file server can be mounted automatically at boot time (the file server must be present on the network at boot time, or the IIgs will pause for a long time during boot). Under this option, you can either prompt the user for a login, or automatically log in with a preselected user name and password, which are stored on the system disk. These options are selected using the AppleShare graphical control panel, which is almost identical to the one on the Macintosh. At some stage, you will need to make several copies of the newly created system disk (one for each computer). The first time you boot the disk, you will be prompted for a default user name, which will be used in all AppleShare logins (but can be edited when you log in). If you copy the disk after booting it, the same default name will apply on all computers. If you copy the disk before booting it, you will have to enter the default name for all computers. If a different name is to be used on each computer, the disk must be associated with the computer. Alternatively (and this seems more sensible), if a disk is to be associated with each USER, then you should keep a backup copy of the original disk, and set up a boot disk for each user which has the appropriate user name as the default. The copy of the disk should be booted, and the default user name entered. The AppleShare Control Panel should then be used to log into the server, and save the user name and/or password, if required. Once this has been set up, the disk should probably be write protected. I think that covers the main points. E-Mail me or post here if you have any further questions. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand